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i was just wondering how u guys feel when some of these ATC's come up with stupid instructions and if u don't follow them then they r on ur case. like today i was with a student cleared for take off and while i was entering the runway and student was doing the pre take off checks this ATC tell this other aircraft landing on an intececting runway to turn on the runway i was on and he started yapping at me that i should take off quickly. i wanted my student to be sure that he has done every checks and engines r within the green arc before we go up in the air. its was nothing like a delay on our side otherwise i'd have asked for it. its just that he wanted that other aircraft to be clear of that other runway quick enough so he wanted me to clear that runway as well. rather than he could have asked the other aircraft to clear on the taxi way right next to the runway i was on. i'm not being hard on them as i know that they work under a lot of pressure and i'd certainly not take their job but sometimes they don't think what they r saying or doing. if you do something slightly wrong they r ready to give u a number to call and that goes on ur record but i wish if we could give them a number to call them after they screw up :D



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Pet peeves....

It's your not ur. It's you not u. It's are not r .
 

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thanks but whats the point????
 

j41driver

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No real point I guess. Just a pet peeve that really bugs me when I read it. That's all.
 

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its hard to understand

english?
 

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The point is that it is extremely hard to read and understand when every other word is spelled wrong and the whole message is one big paragraph.

Act professional if you want to be taken seriously.
 

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Sorry, I have to agree with the others. I don't like it when people use shorthand on this or other message boards... a pet peeve. In most cases I tend to skip it and continue on to the next one.

Anyway, as PIC it is your responisbility to maintain the safety of the flight and you should not accept any instructions from ATC that would affect the safety of the flight. If they want you to takeoff immediately, they should ask you if you can accept a "no delay" takeoff clearance. However, when you advise tower that you are ready for takeoff you should be ready to do so. If you haven't completed your run-up or pre-takeoff procedures yet, don't tell the tower that you are ready for take-off. If you are going to be practicing a short field takeoff and will need a few seconds to set the brakes and bring the power up, advise tower that you will need a short delay on the runway. Also be aware of local practices. Not all airports want you to be doing a run-up at the hold short line because this can back up the flow of traffic. If you are not sure where to do a run-up, ask around where this is normally done at an FBO or even the ground controller.
 

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well! if u don't understand then don't bother replying. this is not an english class.
 

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ipilot -

It may not be an English class but like dmspilot00 said, if you want to be taken seriously act like a professional. Professionals use proper English. I know what you mean when you use u, r and ur, but it is annoying and harder to follow than if you would just type the extra few letters in the words.

While we are on the subject of pet peeves, another one of mine is when people don't use any capital letters in online posts. You can access the capital letters by pressing down on the Shift key on the keyboard while typing the letter that should be capitalized. Most keyboards have 2 such keys to choose from.

Hope this helps.
 
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j41driver said:
ipilot -

It may not be an English class but like dmspilot00 said, if you want to be taken seriously act like a professional. Professionals use proper English. I know what you mean when you use u, r and ur, but it is annoying and harder to follow than if you would just type the extra few letters in the words.

While we are on the subject of pet peeves, another one of mine is when people don't use any capital letters in online posts. You can access the capital letters by pressing down on the Shift key on the keyboard while typing the letter that should be capitalized. Most keyboards have 2 such keys to choose from.

Hope this helps.
This is obviously (from the responses above) not just a problem unique to one. I personally find it very annoying. Even when just IM-ing or posting I think that these incomplete words are a sign of a lazy poster. It does not require much effort to type complete words (in fact for some, I think it would require more work to leave these necessary letters out).

ipilot-
What would your student think if you gave him notes to take home and study and they included words such as "u", "ur", and "r"? He would probably think you were a fruit....It is just a manner of appearance and professionalism (sp?).

JMHO,
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ipilot:
Back to the original theme, here. You were right to take your time, and make sure your student had his stuff done and checked. I get rushed all the time at large airports, and if we're not ready, we ask for a few seconds. No biggie, except sometimes they "forget" about you after that! IF you're not ready to go at the runway at ORD and DFW, you might be waiting a while!
 

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D A M N Whippersnapper..

Stick to the dirt/grass strips to avoid your problems with ATC.
 

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ATC and English

I agree with the others. You are the PIC. You are responsible for the safety of the flight per 14 CFR 91.3(a), which states "The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft." Usually, if you approach ATC politely, you'll get courteous cooperation.

I've always told young people who want to be pilots that they should take as much math, science, physics, English and speech as possible. Why English and speech? Because they will be writing to and meeting with all kinds of people during their flying careers, a good many of which will be older than them, i.e. adults. They will be writing business letters, cover letters, resumes and reports. They will be speaking with H.R. people, "the boss," mechanics, customers, pax and co-workers. If you don't speak well and write at least correctly, the people whom you want to impress will think that you're a moron and will not take you seriously. Moreover, if you don't write correctly you come across as being slovenly. You don't have to be Hemmingway to write correct English.

Think about it.
 
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While we're on the subject of pet peeves ....

For those of you who slept through college English, 'anyways' is NOT A GODD@MN WORD! And the next person using 'your' for 'you're' gets a visit from the Baseball Bat Fairy.

:D

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Anyways, I think your rite.

Wot is rong with speling funy, anyways? Gist bekos sum of us donut rite reel gud its no gud reson to git mad or nothin. Anyways, anybody whos anybody nows that airplans fli kos of money, not smarts. Rite?

Think abowt it lik this: yu kan teech a monke to fli if yu hav enuf money, but yu kan never teech him to spel gud.
 

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:D :D :D
 

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Man, I need to try this shorthand stuff. It really saves time, harassment, and verbal beatdowns.
 

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Mmmm donuts! (doughnuts?)

Anyway, AvBug's response reminds me of a poem I once read.


  • Eye half a spelling chequer
    It came with my pea sea
    It plainly marques four my revue
    Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

    Eye strike a key and type a word
    And weight four it two say
    Weather eye am wrong oar write
    It shows me strait a weigh.

    As soon as a mist ache is maid
    It nose bee fore two long
    And eye can put the error rite
    Its rare lea ever wrong.

    Eye have run this poem threw it
    I am shore your pleased two no
    Its letter perfect awl the weigh
    My chequer tolled me sew

    - Anonymous
 

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As usual bobbysamd is right on the money.
 
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