APA approves new contract

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American Airlines pilots Friday approved a proposed contract with the Fort Worth-based carrier, which now has new labor deals approved by all nine of its unionized bargaining units.
The decision by Allied Pilots Association members boosts American’s efforts to settle its affairs and emerge from bankruptcy court in the first part of 2013.
The pilots on Aug. 8 had rejected a previous proposal, known as American’s “last, best and final offer,” by a 61%-39% margin. U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane on Sept. 4 approved American’s request to throw out the pilots’ existing contract, a concessionary deal dating from 2003.
 

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Well they gave both away! Capt 100 seat jet Group1 12 yr pay is $114 an hr. FO 100 seat jet Group1 12 yr pay is $77 an hr.

over 200 76 seat jets at regionals for AA

First Delta gives a way 50 seat jets then 70 seat jets now 76 to 100 seat jets given away by AA.

Wait AA doesn't have 100 seat jets?

JB has 75 e 190's ripe for the taking.
 

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Well they gave both away! Capt 100 seat jet Group1 12 yr pay is $114 an hr. FO 100 seat jet Group1 12 yr pay is $77 an hr.

over 200 76 seat jets at regionals for AA

First Delta gives a way 50 seat jets then 70 seat jets now 76 to 100 seat jets given away by AA.

Wait AA doesn't have 100 seat jets?

JB has 75 e 190's ripe for the taking.
So what alternative solution would you have proposed that would have passed muster for both the pilot group and the company? You only have so much leverage in any negotiation, at some point you need to get a deal and move on.
 

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Well they gave both away! Capt 100 seat jet Group1 12 yr pay is $114 an hr. FO 100 seat jet Group1 12 yr pay is $77 an hr.

over 200 76 seat jets at regionals for AA

First Delta gives a way 50 seat jets then 70 seat jets now 76 to 100 seat jets given away by AA.

Wait AA doesn't have 100 seat jets?

JB has 75 e 190's ripe for the taking.
What are you smoking?

The scope limit is at 76 seats/86,000lbs. If AMR orders a 100 seat jet, it is ours, period. Does the 100-seat pay suck? Absolutely. But I was always of the opinion to get the jets on the property first and fix pay after that. It appears we've done that. Now it's time to fix the pay. Might take awhile but let's face it - we stand to exit BK with a much better contract than others in the past. Now bring on that merger!
 

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Merger....Careful what you wish for; Doug Parker can get blood from a turnip & money from employees wallets.
 

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I don't want a merger so that Parker can take over: I want a merger so that AA can survive and thrive with Toho and cohorts OUT.
 

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Merger....Careful what you wish for; Doug Parker can get blood from a turnip & money from employees wallets.
And the last drop of Crown Royal from a bottle!
 

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These pay rates won't matter. AA pilots know they're getting the rates they agreed to w Parker. And they're getting all that stock. Nice effin work APA.
 

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The rates in the AA contract are higher than the USAir Pre-greement.

S80 CA is up $6/hr. Those on the 762/3 and 737 are grandfathered to current rates until parity. (The 767 fleet is now the same as 757 rates and the 737 is lumped in with the 80 and A320/321/319 fleet.)

For AA to have as many RJ's as Delta, they would have to add 200 mainline jets. And AA73 is right--people have done nothing but b1tch about outsourcing of RJ's and how "we shoulda never given that flying away".

Well, it's back so stfu. Get them on the property and worry about pay later.

Not happy but not pi$$ed either.

TC
 

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So how soon will it take to merge with B6 or add even more codesharing? 190s on demand and Airbus with a training school house and precious JFK slots.. Hmmm
 

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Well, it's back so stfu. Get them on the property and worry about pay later.

Not happy but not pi$$ed either.

TC
US has had the E-190's on the property at RJ wages for quite a while and there has been no upward movement on rates. Beware of those jets being used as a wedge (internal whipsaw) to drag out negotiations or gut from one area to protect another.
 

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When the merger goes through, we'll be negotiating up from this TA. This TA is nothing more than a bridge agreement to the merger. At that point, E190 pay and new hire pay will come up.
 

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APA INFORMATION HOTLINE
This is APA President Keith Wilson with the APA Information Hotline for Friday, Dec. 7.

TENTATIVE AGREEMENT VOTE RESULTS: By a vote of 5,489 for and 1,951 against, the APA membership has voted to ratify the tentative agreement. More than 96 percent of eligible members participated in the ratification by casting a vote. Voting ended at noon Central today and BallotPoint then tabulated the results shortly thereafter. APA Secretary-Treasurer First Officer Scott Shankland has certified the results as accurate.

I want to thank everyone who took the time to cast a vote in this important ratification process. I also want to thank the APA Board of Directors and our many volunteers for their efforts throughout the past year since American Airlines entered Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

APA will now turn its focus to helping to ensure that full consideration is given to strategic alternatives before American Airlines’ restructuring concludes. The APA leadership continues to support a merger with US Airways as the best path to a stronger, more competitive American Airlines that will in turn enhance our pilots’ long-term career prospects
 

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AA wont survive without a serious offensive push at JFK.
FEED, FEED, FEED, and address the 800 pound gorilla in the corner that has been snacking for 3 years called DELTA.
USAir does nothing to help them with this problem, nothing.
 
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