Any Suggestions?

flyboy

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Just wondering.......

I am about to finish up my multi-commercial later this month and was wondering if I should get my CFI and build time or try to do a PFT type deal. I know that I have the basics as far as time goes and I don't expect much in the job field. What did you airline/cargo guys do to build time? Is there even a chance to get any job (other than CFI) with 260 hrs of flight time and 35 hrs multi? I don't expect anything like an airline or charter, just curious to what else is available. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and good luck to you guys who are currently furloughed and waiting for that call back.
 

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Get your CFI. Why waste gobs of money to get another 250 hours? You will still be in the same boat as you are now. At least a CFI is usefull. Right now another 250 multi even turbine wont do much for you. You have a much better chance of landing an instructing job after you are done with training.

Good Luck
 

Cornelius

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Best chance of building time is to get the CFI. With your time, the only way you could get a bite from a company flying right seat or something would be to know someone in the company personally. Traffic watch requires 500 hrs most of the time. You may try checking out skydiving ops, pipeline patrol, and banner towing. Don't wait for a golden opportunity. Start sending out resumes while working on your CFI.

Good Luck
 

walkthasky

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I would get your CFI. You're gonna build the time faster than you thought you would, and you're gonna learn alot more than you knew before you were a CFI. But thats my opinion!
 

walkthasky

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Hey cornelius, did you hear from Allegheny yet????
:D
 

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Just a note, since Cornelius mentioned pipeline patrol. I called Duke Energy to ask about pipeline patrol on the east coast last year. Pipes around here were formerly owned by Texas Eastern, and Duke took over. After a lot of calls, I reached the guy in charge. He said he had resumes with 5000TT, and this was before Sept 11th. He said the pilots enjoyed good pay, and were home every night, and was surprised that I had been told that patrol was an entry level job. He mentioned that some companies subbed out work to contractor pilots, but he was unable to give me any leads.

Oh, and Walkthesky: I carried in a resume to Allegheny in December, and got no calls. I called Michelle, and she said they were taking advantage of the higher time pilots now available. Let me know if you hear anything.

-Dozing in Harrisburg.
 

Cornelius

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I haven't heard anything yet. Maybe I'll call up Allegheny again and bug them some more.

Where's the devil when you need him, I have a soul for sale.

Peace out.
 

walkthasky

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about allegheny

hey timebuilder...
yeah i have an interview in 2 weeks. im pretty sure the way i got a call was that i had a friend walk my resume in, when he went for his interview. I tried for weeks and weeks..but after that i got a call.

Laters
:D
 

av8arkie

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Flyboy,
CFI time doesnt really matter to most people who fly in the real world. I dont think doing lap after lap in a traffic pattern somewhere does much good. Like all pilot jobs that I know of its not what you got its who you know. I got my first job with 450 hours and 150 of those hours were doing pilot service in jets. Go out and meet people and get time in jets.
 

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That's the biggest crock. Quite a few companies love to hire CFIs. Especially ones that have done quite a bit of either CFII or MEI work.
 

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That's true. Bob specifically asked me about instructing when I called Airnet. He also wants recent flight experience.
 

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All 16 guys in my class were CFII's.

Airnet loves Cfi's not buttkissers
 

jaybird

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"CFI time doesnt really matter to most people who fly in the real world."

I would love to know what world this is!
 

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Don't listen to above crock!

I too would like to see that world! Companies expect to see a bunch of CFI time in your "ladder" up the career. Without it they start to wonder. Admittedly in the recent past (pre 9/11) some low end hiring scooped up some fairly low timers and they got a lucky break, but that time has ended again. Companies know the integrity it takes to stick it out as a CFI and the experience you gain there. They like it much more than someone who's Dad's best friend let them jump right into the right seat of his citation and call it flight time.

Aside from all that I can only wish I had all the aviaiton knowledge readily available in my head that I did when I was working as a CFI. You can't beat teaching Instrument students to teach you how it all works. Besides, it is actually a lot of fun!
 

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Get your CFI ratings!! And learn along with your students,
it's a great satisfied experience, that you will always cherish.
It will be kind of hard to explain to a future employer
why did you had to buy your job!!! To build time!!!
 

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Having been around the block a time or two, my advice would be to do what would build your experience, not just build time. Obviously, everything fluctuates with supply and demand, but all things being equal, the quality of the experience is more important than just the number of hours. Someone with an instructing background has a much better grasp of the big picture than someone that has schmoozed a few rides in the right seat of a jet. (How much quality time would that be??? Talking on the radio and working the gear...maybe....). There are other ways to build time...traffic watch, banner tow, even buying into one of those SIC deals....but as an instructor you will not only be building time, but you will be continually learning and gaining experience in the REAL real world of ATC, instrument flying, FARs, etc. I would not even consider not getting my CFI.

By the way, throughout my career, in everything from C152s to Metros to Dash 8s to 757s, I have continued to instruct. It's by far the best way to continue to learn.
 

JOHN LA HAYE

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FROM THE FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH PILE.

I USED TO THINK THAT I WAS LUCKY TO HAVE GOTTEN BY WITHOUT GETTING A CFI. I WAS ABLE TO BUILD TIME DOING TRAFFIC WATCH AND VFR 135 TYPE STUFF. THEN THE DOORS OPENED FOR ME.
NOW MANY YEARS AND HOURS LATER. I AM WISHING THAT I HAD GOTTEN THE CFI,II,MEI TICKETS. I WOULD LOVE TO WORK FOR THE FEARED FEDS. I JUST SHIVER AT THE THOUGHT OF SHOWING UP AT SOME FORMER EMPLOYERS WITH THAT FAA ID.
BUT IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN WITHOUT THE CFI.

GET THE TICKET, YOU CAN BUILD TIME AND LOOK FOR ANOTHER JOB WITHOUT PAYING. THE SHORT ROAD DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN THE SHORTEST TRIP.
 

buckdanny

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Hey flyboy,

I will repeat what everybody else said here, get you CFI, CFII and MEI. I'm going to start working on the MEI soon and I can't wait for that. You will love it, and it is true that it is the best way to learn instrument skills. Personally I feel that I'm learning more shooting an ILS in a 172 down to minimums talking my student through it. More than if I were doing it on the right seat of a jet with autopilot in approach mode talking on the radio and be thankfull to the captain for leting me lower the gear! Or better than taking skydivers up or towing baners..

Another 2 things about instructors, one being the most important: it teached you how to COMMUNICATE. And i've heard it from senior airline pilots; CFIs communicate better in the cockpit. This relates to CRM and safety, and it's something the pilots on the interview board will look for. The second thing is the pilots at the interview: many of them will have paid their dues by being CFIs, do they want to hear about a pilot who had money and bought his flight time? Probably not. Put yourself in the skin of a recruiter, you have 2 candidates: 1) I towed baners. 2) I tought instrument approaches down to minumes and multi engine procedures. Who gets the job? Think about all the competition right now, airlines aren't desperate to hire anyone...

To finish with the subject, you will have to work your butt off during initial training at the airlines, and the more CFI tickets you have, the more proof you have that you can handle it. It's more than a FAA ticket; it's a ticket that says on it "I'm a hard worker and I can handle it," plus it will give you more things to talk about at the interview when asked about your previous experience.

Alex
 
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