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GlorifiedCabbie

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With all of the turmoil at Flex, they are having such a hard time replacing the pilots that are leaving, there aren't enough pilots for the planned expansion. They have delayed delivery of most of the new aircraft because they would just sit uncrewed anyway. So why not take delivery and just park it? The owners are not too keen on that idea. Buy a plane and not use it because Flex can't find pilots to fly it? We defered another sale.
 

shanes123

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They have delayed delivery cause they don’t have the money for them. It’s the same old story. Nothing to do with pilots. It’s piss poor management. Wonder what Frank and beans plans on doing when his ship sinks. Not a company in the world that would touch him now. Even that number to that truck driving school has a union !!!!
 

cougar12

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Try getting in anywhere. I would take a photo of my vote, my dues card and quit for pretty much any job if this decert goes through.

This is the talk of the industry right now, and it’s not being looked upon favorably at all. Good luck getting on anywhere, you will be damaged goods. If NJA buys the crumbs left at Flex someday, staple job is the best you could hope for. The union wouldn’t want you at all and would demand individual veto power.

Word is CAPA, APA, UPS, all are drafting letters at this point. If you don’t have a photo of your dues paying card and flex goes under you will be our generation of scab equivalents. Stupid, stupid move. Shockingly stupid.

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April 18, 2018[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]
Flight Options & Flexjet Pilots
International Brotherhood of Teamsters
Local 1108
P.O. Box 43485
Richmond Heights, OH 44143-3485[/FONT]​
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Fellow Professional Pilots,[/FONT]​
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The Coalition of Airline Pilots Association (CAPA) is a trade association comprised of over
30,000 professional airline pilots in the service of American Airlines, UPS Airlines, Horizon Air,
ABX Air, Atlas Air, Allegiant Air, Cape Air, Miami Air, Omni Air, Silver Airways, Southern
Air, and Republic Airline. CAPA's purpose is to address safety, security, legislative and
regulatory issues affecting the professional flight deck crew member on matters of common
interest to the individual member unions and professional pilots across the United States.
For that reason, we are writing to you about a matter of concern to our entire profession.[/FONT]​
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We have learned there is a campaign underway to decertify your union at Flexjet/Flight Options
and to replace it with a so-called "direct relationship" between individual pilots and management.
A vote in favor of no representation would prevent future collective bargaining over
improvements to your current contract and leave pilots without any union representative. This
would be an unprecedented development given that current pilot labor market conditions have
resulted in the most favorable collective bargaining environment in the history of our profession.[/FONT]​
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Pilot unions do more than negotiate over rates of pay, rules and working conditions. Our
organizations also successfully advocate for aviation safety initiatives, improved training, and
enhanced security. These advancements would not have been possible without the right of pilots
to form unions and bargain with carriers, a right that was codified in the Railway Labor Act more
than eighty years ago. Accordingly, continuity of membership in a pilot union is the foundation
for relationships between co-workers when a pilot leaves one carrier to accept employment with
another carrier.[/FONT]​
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For all of these reasons, we regard any campaign to reduce union density or weaken collective
bargaining strength - regardless of whether it originates with management, a faction of pilots or a
third party - as a threat to the interests of all professional flight deck crew members. Therefore,
CAPA offers its full support to the pilots of Flexjet/Flight Options as they face down this
challenge. By voting for the Teamsters in the election, you will remain a part of the larger
community of represented pilots in the United States with the ability to bargain improvements
for yourselves while helping to protect and raise standards for our entire profession.[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]
If CAPA can be of assistance, do not hesitate to contact us directly.[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]
Sincerely,[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]
Captain Lee Collins
President[/FONT]​
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cc: Captain Daniel Wells, President/Teamsters Union Local 1224
Captain Robert Travis, President/Independent Pilots Association
Captain Dan Carey, President/Allied Pilots Association
Captain Josh LeBlanc, President/Teamsters Union Local 357[/FONT]​
 

FTITA

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Try getting in anywhere. I would take a photo of my vote, my dues card and quit for pretty much any job if this decert goes through.

This is the talk of the industry right now, and it’s not being looked upon favorably at all. Good luck getting on anywhere, you will be damaged goods. If NJA buys the crumbs left at Flex someday, staple job is the best you could hope for. The union wouldn’t want you at all and would demand individual veto power.

Word is CAPA, APA, UPS, all are drafting letters at this point. If you don’t have a photo of your dues paying card and flex goes under you will be our generation of scab equivalents. Stupid, stupid move. Shockingly stupid.
Except that asking about union affiliation during a job interview is an illegal question. Generation of scab equivalents? Not even close. You won’t get denied a jumpseat because of the way you voted in a decert vote. Even GoJet guys don’t have any problems jumpseating these days. SkyWest is non-union and nobody in the 121 world gives a crap. Will the vote be big within OneSky? Absolutely, but it’s not going to prevent people from getting hired elsewhere if they vote for the decert. That’s just nonsense.
 

cougar12

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I will make sure to let the Reps know they can’t look at a Wiki list!
To think they can’t or won’t is nonsense.
 

GlorifiedCabbie

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Except that asking about union affiliation during a job interview is an illegal question. Generation of scab equivalents? Not even close. You won’t get denied a jumpseat because of the way you voted in a decert vote. Even GoJet guys don’t have any problems jumpseating these days. SkyWest is non-union and nobody in the 121 world gives a crap. Will the vote be big within OneSky? Absolutely, but it’s not going to prevent people from getting hired elsewhere if they vote for the decert. That’s just nonsense.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Jumpseats are based on being a CASS participant.
 

MagnumPI

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Except that asking about union affiliation during a job interview is an illegal question. Generation of scab equivalents? Not even close. You won’t get denied a jumpseat because of the way you voted in a decert vote. Even GoJet guys don’t have any problems jumpseating these days. SkyWest is non-union and nobody in the 121 world gives a crap. Will the vote be big within OneSky? Absolutely, but it’s not going to prevent people from getting hired elsewhere if they vote for the decert. That’s just nonsense.
The airlines won’t have to ask on a job interview because if Flexjet is on the job application, you just won’t receie an interview invite to begin with. Is it really worth gambling the fate of getting an airline job on this decert? Especially if things go south at Flex after the decert and guys try to get an airline job? I for one am not willing to take that chance given the current pilot union support letters. I said this even before the IBT sent out their letter, “pilot unions stick together”, and they are watching the outcome.

I heard a rumor that APA and ALPA also have letters of IBT support forthcoming as well.
 

John MClain

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The math just doesn’t add up. NJASAP, SWAPA, CAPA, APA and rumor has it ALPA have all voiced their support for OneSky’s Local IBT 1108. That’s somewhere north of 40,000 professional pilots. All of which are benefitting from solidarity and Collective Bargaining Agreements (CBA’s).
Yet this Woelke character and his band of (maybe 10 or 12) misfits seem to know more about what it takes to deal with and negotiate with a management team that is hell bent on removing the union.
It’s a sad day for the aviation profession when pilot’s themselves take on the role of Union Busters.



http://oscrewlounge.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/IncompetentUnion.mp4?_=1
 

TexasChallenger

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That is probably one of the most unbelievable things I’ve ever seen in my career. Wow.
 

shanes123

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52 years old ????? Unreal. He looks 70 and on his death bed... maybe that’s why he’s driveling nonsense he’s delirious. Or 2NN has promised him a house in Cabo next to him and the Arbitrator
 

el raton

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The math just doesn’t add up. NJASAP, SWAPA, CAPA, APA and rumor has it ALPA have all voiced their support for OneSky’s Local IBT 1108. That’s somewhere north of 40,000 professional pilots. All of which are benefitting from solidarity and Collective Bargaining Agreements (CBA’s).
Yet this Woelke character and his band of (maybe 10 or 12) misfits seem to know more about what it takes to deal with and negotiate with a management team that is hell bent on removing the union.
It’s a sad day for the aviation profession when pilot’s themselves take on the role of Union Busters.



http://oscrewlounge.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/IncompetentUnion.mp4?_=1
Reluctantly, Swapa’s letter convinced me to vote in favor of the IBT. I refuse to screw my fellow pilots reputation in the industry.
 

FTITA

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Jumpseats are based on being a CASS participant.
Being enrolled in CASS will get you past the gate agent. The Captain is who decides whether you will ride or not. The Continental scabs aren’t getting many (if any) Jumpseat’s. Especially if the Captain has his scab list with him.
 

cougar12

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April 19, 2018

To All Flight Options & Flexjet Pilots:

On behalf of the 15,000 American Airlines pilots represented by the Allied Pilots Association (APA), I am writing to express our strong support for International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 1108 and the representation services it provides to the pilots of Flight Options and Flexjet.

If successful, the current campaign to decertify Local 1108 could have far-reaching implications for all professional pilots. In the early days of scheduled air service in the United States, our
predecessors concluded that they needed protections against predatory owners and managers, which gave rise to collective bargaining in the airline industry. While much has clearly changed during the past 80-plus years, the need for a robust safety culture remains the same. Many of the issues that demand our time and attention today – overly aggressive scheduling, pilot pushing, and other unsafe practices - closely resemble the problems that pilots were dealing with back in the 1930s.

Supporters of the decertification campaign against Local 1108 include some of our country's most notoriously anti-union organizations, including the Center for Independent Employees. Why are they involved? Because airline owners and managers don't like collective bargaining and the
limitations that it places upon them. Organizations like Local 1108 prevent operators from doing
whatever they want, whenever they want, and provide their members with valuable protections.

If successful, the decertification campaign can only accelerate the ever-present downward pressure on wages and benefits that we all face, and it will threaten the robust safety culture that we all depend on.

For the reasons I have outlined, I hope you will join me in concluding that the only correct answer here is to say “no thank you” to decertification. I believe you will be glad you did.

Thank you for considering my views.

Fraternally,





Captain Daniel F. Carey
President
 

Club ORD FO

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Except that asking about union affiliation during a job interview is an illegal question. Generation of scab equivalents? Not even close. You won’t get denied a jumpseat because of the way you voted in a decert vote. Even GoJet guys don’t have any problems jumpseating these days. SkyWest is non-union and nobody in the 121 world gives a crap. Will the vote be big within OneSky? Absolutely, but it’s not going to prevent people from getting hired elsewhere if they vote for the decert. That’s just nonsense.
I'm not sure I agree. Skywest has never had a union, and they keep their pay fairly high so they do not have a negative impact on the industry as a whole. It'll be a different story if/when a company kicks out a union. It'll be the first time it has happened in the history of the industry. Others have switched unions, but nobody has straight up gone to no representation. It's not going get us a round of free drinks at the bar. Lets say I go to southwest interview and a union rep is there on the panel, could he/she be prejudiced against me just because I'm from Flexjet and we voted out a union?
 

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I'm not sure I agree. Skywest has never had a union, and they keep their pay fairly high so they do not have a negative impact on the industry as a whole. It'll be a different story if/when a company kicks out a union. It'll be the first time it has happened in the history of the industry. Others have switched unions, but nobody has straight up gone to no representation. It's not going get us a round of free drinks at the bar. Lets say I go to southwest interview and a union rep is there on the panel, could he/she be prejudiced against me just because I'm from Flexjet and we voted out a union?
no they can't ask those questions at an interview.
but if you guys vote to decertify you won't even be offered an interview.
 
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