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GulfGuy from the porn lounge, please pm me. I have something private I would like to tell you about my personal experience with FW.
 
GulfGuy from the porn lounge, please pm me. I have something private I would like to tell you about my personal experience with FW.

Why? Do you think he cares? He chooses to insult, in an effort to sound 'reasonable' and 'intellectual', a significant portion of the pilot group (bigger than the porn lounge, vuh or even yammer) who choos to read this site to find out what's really going on. Whatever information you choose to give him probably won't pull his head out of his ass. Do you really think knowing FW knows his identity he will do anything about it?

Regarding flight info, even though comments are relatively few in comparison to the curiosity, views blow those other sites away.

That fact speaks to a pilot group that is still gunshy about showing their unmasked support to either side. A guy with a real finger on the pulse of the pilot group should realize this but instead he insults them.

While I personally do not condone the suggestion of a black ball list etc. It is significant that a portion of the group does and feels strongly enough they choose to post about it. Both FW and "gulfguy" ought to take off the pretentious hat and realize the fact these decert guys are that hated says something.

The union is like Trump. Very few people are willing to throw their public support to him, even in answering an anonymous poll, but the facts about how people feel about the work being done speaks for itself. More pilots support representation than don't. The porn lounge is nothing more than Fake News.

Remember: sending in a card for decert is essentially a vote to lose all representation. Gulf guy is just helping Frank fool people we will get an in-house union from it. We won't.
 
The FW's of this world are not going to help you when KR says you are fired, they will tell you you were wrong. That is why we have the IBT1108 to bat for us. They have very experienced people who know how to deal with the Onesky management who going way back are skilled at misleading the pilot group with false promises and favouritism. As pilots I think we have enough to think about just doing the job of flying because that is what we do best and leave the complicated practices of the legal system to the IBT1108 because that is what they do best. Unless KR's foot is held in the fire he will not agree to anything.
Do you think the in-house pilot group will push the limits when KR is taking advantage once the Union protection is gone? I don't think so, they will agree with anything and everything so they don't lose they "position".
 
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Why? Do you think he cares? He chooses to insult, in an effort to sound 'reasonable' and 'intellectual', a significant portion of the pilot group (bigger than the porn lounge, vuh or even yammer) who choos to read this site to find out what's really going on. Whatever information you choose to give him probably won't pull his head out of his ass. Do you really think knowing FW knows his identity he will do anything about it?

Regarding flight info, even though comments are relatively few in comparison to the curiosity, views blow those other sites away.

That fact speaks to a pilot group that is still gunshy about showing their unmasked support to either side. A guy with a real finger on the pulse of the pilot group should realize this but instead he insults them.

While I personally do not condone the suggestion of a black ball list etc. It is significant that a portion of the group does and feels strongly enough they choose to post about it. Both FW and "gulfguy" ought to take off the pretentious hat and realize the fact these decert guys are that hated says something.

The union is like Trump. Very few people are willing to throw their public support to him, even in answering an anonymous poll, but the facts about how people feel about the work being done speaks for itself. More pilots support representation than don't. The porn lounge is nothing more than Fake News.

Remember: sending in a card for decert is essentially a vote to lose all representation. Gulf guy is just helping Frank fool people we will get an in-house union from it. We won't.

From what I'm reading, GGuy is in support of a union. You reading that differently?

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The FW's of this world are not going to help you when KR says you are fired, they will tell you you were wrong. That is why we have the IBT1108 to bat for us. They have very experienced people who know how to deal with the Onesky management who going way back are skilled at misleading the pilot group with false promises and favouritism. As pilots I think we have enough to think about just doing the job of flying because that is what we do best and leave the complicated practices of the legal system to the IBT1108 because that is what they do best. Unless KR's foot is held in the fire he will not agree to anything.
Do you think the in-house pilot group will push the limits when KR is taking advantage once the Union protection is gone? I don't think so, they will agree with anything and everything so they don't lose they "position".

I totally agree with you, except I think everyone should volunteer to do something so that none of us have to do everything. Get involved!
 
GG sounds like a (reluctant) supporter, but he seems to be under the impression that FW (and others) are trying to form an in house union. Which is incorrect. If FW wins representation he will just step down and hand everything over to management. No contract, no union, no collective bargaining, no job protection, nothing... so While GG has been posting some food counter points, he’s wrong on one very major point. This is a drive to get rid of the 1108 and become completely non-union. Not for an in house. Many people are under the impression they are voting for FW’s union. And what upsets me is that FW and others do not correct that misconception. They seem to be ok getting cards from pilots who don’t truly understand what they are voting for.

This is something the 1108 needs to make clear to everyone since FW does not.
 
From what I'm reading, GGuy is in support of a union. You reading that differently?

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I totally agree with you, except I think everyone should volunteer to do something so that none of us have to do everything. Get involved!
Volunteer to do something....what does that mean? No direction...you need IBT1108 who can give you direction. You will get no takers as they all want to be under the radar...nameless. How can you have an un named team to back you up. The guys who were named and pushed for the union because they thought you were worth it. Don't let them down.
If this protection is lost it will be gone for good. Remember that every airline has a union because it works and is good for the protection of both sides.
 
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Volunteer to do something....what does that mean? No direction...you need IBT1108 who can give you direction. You will get no takers as they all want to be under the radar...nameless. How can you have an un named team to back you up. The guys who were named and pushed for the union because they thought you were worth it. Don't let them down.
If this protection is lost it will be gone for good. Remember that every airline has a union because it works and is good for the protection of both sides.


What I mean is everyone should volunteer to do something for the union. I thought that was clear.
 
From what I'm reading, GGuy is in support of a union. You reading that differently?

I think he sounds like he's in support but when you disenfranchise a significant portion of the audience by referring to them as keyboard warriors who should be ignored it's an indication you don't understand any of the real issues.

He is trying way too hard to blow sunshine up Frank's ass while he "learns" him some facts. Frank is a lying manipulator and simply because GulfGuy knows Frank knows his identity (when know one else does) he is in a position of weakness and won't call him on it. That does not one any good.

Flexjet Pilots have always been way too concerned about appearing reasonable, impartial, balanced, polite etc... In reality that's just a nice way of saying Flexjet pilots are a bunch of pussies with no passion or guts. I think one of the greater moments in the union history is when some of you decided to call people out by name on that bull****. But the pussies hated it. What does that tell you?

I don't know this Dubinsky guy Kenn and the other decert people hate so much but something tells me the entire reason they don't like him is because he calls Kenn out on his bull**** and that's effective. The reason they're now clamoring about him all over again at the porn lounge is they're trying to scare you away from the tactics that won leadership the vote. They used to tell it like it is. Then they got pussified and decided to stop the direct attack. Look at the results - we are now dealing with low morale and still silent support.

GulfGuy is controlled opposition intended to keep us guys worried about tone. **** tone. FW is trying to screw us and who cares if that pisses people off enough to lash out.

So no. I don't think he is doing the pro-union group any favors by thinking he is better than the rest of us.
 
Fair enough. But I’m happy that at least he isn’t just walking in jackbooted lockstep with wookieboy.
 

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