Travel Management-Elkhart IN. ????

[TurboHonda]

While I agree with the message of your post, I do need to correct you on one issue. Although the FAA has the 8-hour bottle-to-throttle rule, if a company has a more restrictive alcohol policy written in their GOM (i.e. 12-hours, 24-hours, etc) it supersedes the FAA alcohol rule. If you break it, you can and will be issued a violation by the feds.

su·per·sede

verb \ˌsü-pər-ˈsēd\
su·per·sed·edsu·per·sed·ing
Definition of SUPERSEDE

transitive verb
1
a: to cause to be set aside b: to force out of use as inferior

2
: to take the place or position of

3
: to displace in favor of another

— su·per·sed·ernoun

I don't believe the FAA would consider their requlations supersedable by the companies they are regulating.

 

[minitour]

Is this confirmed?

Affirmative.

-mini

 

[Skippy]

really? superseded? exactly... the word the company uses is APPENDED

MORE LIKE APPENDED- ap·pend
–verb (used with object) 1. to add as a supplement, accessory, or appendix; subjoin: to append a note to a letter.

Although these guidelines are in some cases general,​

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compliance is mandatory.​

Failure to comply may result in disciplinary action up to and including termination.​

The policies and procedures, herein, have been accepted by the FAA, and have been appended to the GOM.

notice ,no warning for prosecution from the FAA , just termination, thereby strengthening the arguement that the faa cant enforce anything more restrictive than their own federal regulations.


here's an example-- you can drink all you want while on rotation, but if the company finds out - they will obviously fire you. if you show up on duty and break the 8 hours/.04 then the faa can get invovled--- or if you refuse a drug/alcohol test they can suspend/revoke your certificates for a year. but if you dont break the very laws they enforce, they cant do anything to you for they dont really have jurisdiction until you break one of their regs.

next time you get ramp checked, dont wear a tie, see if you get violated for violating the policies and procedures--- i mean the faa "approved " them so they become the enforcer of said policies and procedures? that aint their job.

 

[Skippy]

Affirmative.

-mini

thanks MINI. My fears are quickly becoming reality.

 

[FlyinFife]

I think ur confusing the gom with tmc's policies and procedures. The faa could fn care less nor is their approval reqd for company policies and procedures. If thats the case shall i protest my daily pay rate to the faa? Or will they 609 me for not wearing a tie?

Ahhhhhhh, gotcha. The couple of companies that I have worked for had alcohol rules that were more restrictive than the FAA reg written into the GOM. I missed the part where it was Pol & Proc. Well, in that case, yeah, they can suck it!

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

BE40 SIC, must be typed and 135 current. Must relocate to Allentown, PA. Send resume, cover letter, and date of last training event to Ralph Smith at [email protected].

That's all I know...good luck.

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

Guess this crew is back to merit level #1

IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 452TM Make/Model: 400A Description: HAWKER BEECHCRAFT
Date: 07/06/2011 Time: 2010

Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: None

LOCATION
City: NEW YORK CITY State: NY Country: US

DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT TAXI AFTER LANDING, LANDING GEAR STRUT DISABLED AIRCRAFT ON
TAXIWAY, TOWED TO RAMP, NEW YORK CITY, NY

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

WEATHER: UNKNOWN

OTHER DATA
Activity: Unknown Phase: Taxi Operation: OTHER


FAA FSDO: GARDEN CITY, NY (EA15) Entry date: 07/08/2011

 

[Skippy]

good find-- i need to surf that wite for some entertainment. what site do u go to for that? im sure it will be in the asap newsletter. how can it be their fault though?

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

good find-- i need to surf that wite for some entertainment. what site do u go to for that? im sure it will be in the asap newsletter. how can it be their fault though?

I'm sure they had to write something up, I thought that's all that mattered? http://www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/preliminary_data/ It gives you the last 10 days of accident/incident data.

 

[Woodstockpal]

Question: Name one thing more rare than a TMC pilot sober on their day off? Answer: A TMC pilot being shown respect by TMC management