StaySeated
IBT does not represent ME
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Hopefully this doesn't get too stupid, but this being Flighinfo I imagine that it will in rapid fashion.
I am curious to hear from fellow Frontier pilots, Republic Pilots, Lynx Pilots and Midwest Pilots on their opinion regarding the future bargaining unit at Republic.
Do you want an Independent Union, keeping in mind that it will not be "FAPA".
Do you want the IBT?
Do you want ALPA?
Why?
This is all going to come to a head within the next 12 months. After the SLI decision is complete (probably late fall), one side will file a Single Carrier petition with the NMB. If the NMB decides that we are indeed a Single Carrier, the union drive will be in full effect.
Has the IBT completely shelved their Section 6 negotiations during SLI? If so, why?
Has the 190 arbitration been decided?
Do the Republic guys want to work off of their current CBA or do they want to start from scratch with a completely new CBA?
I am not casting stones here. We are eventually going to have to work together in an effort to preserve the narrow body pay rates and improve whatever remains of the fixed-fee business. Before you jump all over my sh1t about that last remark, you really need to take a look at the CPA's that expire between now and 2016. The number is staggering (North of 100 airframes of which 61 are 50 seaters or smaller could go away). That info is straight from the RJET 10k.
From a time-line perspective, the earliest a SOC decision from the NMB can happen would be sometime in 2011. Then the representation drive begins. Late 2011/early 2012 a bargaining unit is certified. Then the CBA negotiations begin in earnest. Historically a CBA has taken 3-5 years to negotiate and ratify. This being Republic it will probably take 4-6 at least. That puts us right around 2016. Keep in mind that FAPA pilots will remain in status quo until this time, as will the RAH pilots. (This is another reason the IBT should NOT be delaying the current negotiations, you are going to be working under your current CBA for many more years)
Does anyone have faith that the IBT can negotiate a major/llc contract?
Has the IBT ever negotiated a major/llc contract before?
I certainly do not want to work under their first experiment in that arena. If the IBT is voted in, the current contract negotiations will basically restart, with several modifications needed for the new aircraft. Is the current contract geared to more of the same, fixed fee service? Or is it designed for the future of RJET, more branded flying?
Has the IBT communicated the status of their current negotiations?
The Frontier Flight attendants recently voted in the AFA instead of the IBT for exactly the same reason, they didn't want to be folded into the current IBT contract, they wanted to start from scratch.
Considering the future if RJET, the answer is obvious in my opinion. The union has to be independent or ALPA.
This thread is not intended to provide the usual cast of characters a venue to spew venom at one group or another. If you have experience with IBT, good or bad, post it here. If you have experience with ALPA, good or bad, please post it here.
I am curious to hear from fellow Frontier pilots, Republic Pilots, Lynx Pilots and Midwest Pilots on their opinion regarding the future bargaining unit at Republic.
Do you want an Independent Union, keeping in mind that it will not be "FAPA".
Do you want the IBT?
Do you want ALPA?
Why?
This is all going to come to a head within the next 12 months. After the SLI decision is complete (probably late fall), one side will file a Single Carrier petition with the NMB. If the NMB decides that we are indeed a Single Carrier, the union drive will be in full effect.
Has the IBT completely shelved their Section 6 negotiations during SLI? If so, why?
Has the 190 arbitration been decided?
Do the Republic guys want to work off of their current CBA or do they want to start from scratch with a completely new CBA?
I am not casting stones here. We are eventually going to have to work together in an effort to preserve the narrow body pay rates and improve whatever remains of the fixed-fee business. Before you jump all over my sh1t about that last remark, you really need to take a look at the CPA's that expire between now and 2016. The number is staggering (North of 100 airframes of which 61 are 50 seaters or smaller could go away). That info is straight from the RJET 10k.
From a time-line perspective, the earliest a SOC decision from the NMB can happen would be sometime in 2011. Then the representation drive begins. Late 2011/early 2012 a bargaining unit is certified. Then the CBA negotiations begin in earnest. Historically a CBA has taken 3-5 years to negotiate and ratify. This being Republic it will probably take 4-6 at least. That puts us right around 2016. Keep in mind that FAPA pilots will remain in status quo until this time, as will the RAH pilots. (This is another reason the IBT should NOT be delaying the current negotiations, you are going to be working under your current CBA for many more years)
Does anyone have faith that the IBT can negotiate a major/llc contract?
Has the IBT ever negotiated a major/llc contract before?
I certainly do not want to work under their first experiment in that arena. If the IBT is voted in, the current contract negotiations will basically restart, with several modifications needed for the new aircraft. Is the current contract geared to more of the same, fixed fee service? Or is it designed for the future of RJET, more branded flying?
Has the IBT communicated the status of their current negotiations?
The Frontier Flight attendants recently voted in the AFA instead of the IBT for exactly the same reason, they didn't want to be folded into the current IBT contract, they wanted to start from scratch.
Considering the future if RJET, the answer is obvious in my opinion. The union has to be independent or ALPA.
This thread is not intended to provide the usual cast of characters a venue to spew venom at one group or another. If you have experience with IBT, good or bad, post it here. If you have experience with ALPA, good or bad, please post it here.
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