General Lee
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Being a CAL furloughed guy, I am really curious to get the opinions of some furloughed United guys on what they think a fair integration would be for the furloughed pilots from both sides. This of course assumes a deal is made through the rumored talks that are taking place right now.
It is almost certain that all CAL furloughed pilots will be back on property by the time the operations actually combine (it took Delta almost 2 years from announcing the merger to get the combined operating certificate and I don't even know if they are flying with combined crews yet). In fact, with the airplanes coming this year and next combined with more retirements, CAL will probably have to hire an addition 150-200 guys. I know this is all based on the economy continuing its recovery, but it appears to be on track for a slow but steady recovery.
So, I would make the argument that putting the furloughs (as of the date a deal is announced) on the master list by date of hire would be absolutely ridiculous. There is a good chance I will be back on property as the SLI is being discussed, so to say that career expectations mean nothing to a furlough who has already returned as an active pilot is totally dumb. In my opinion, the most fair thing to do would be to have a clause in the integration that says anyone who goes back as an active pilot before the certificates are combined will be placed at the bottom of the list of active pilots by date of hire, then anyone still on furlough will be placed below all active pilots by date of hire.
Any opinions?
The consolidation of flying and aircraft types would yield a smaller than current workforce. The current projection is that it would entail an additional 1000 pilots on the street.
The only numbers that make sense to make the merger happen is the synergies created by reducing cost to have the same market presence. When Cal get's a real look at how poorly run we at Untidy are, they will either turn and run or slash every aspect of our sillyness.
TK will be history within months, SAM will also have some serious reductions due to it's inherent inefficiencies. These two parts of Untidy are so poorly run on a cost benefit basis that they will not survive either a CAL or a USAir merger in their current configuration.
Guys, let's just merge and be fair to everyone. If we don't get on the same page and enjoy flying with each other we'll end up burning the place down. Drinks on me....
also how about a "no furlough clause" as a part of the joint contract. Didn't Delta negotiate one of these with there merger?
I know what TK is but what is SAM?